Murray Smith

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  Wt Org Like an Animal Pack

  by Satanus in

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  observing how stranglers and those who get ahead of the wt org are left or get ostricised reminded me of similar dynamics in some animal societies, lions, for instance.

  lions and housecats are the only felines that form groups.

  pack members who get sick or injured and become unable to keep up w the pride are left behind.

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  OUTLAW . . . there's only one flaw in the picture . . . these animals are in no way "organic" . . .

  Totally artificial and highly processed . . . very bad for your health!

  Luvonyall
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  Stopping my bible study with the JW's

  by salsa girl in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  this is my first post after lurking for months.

  hopefully i won't make any mistakes while typing and trying to post this so please bear with me!.

  i had a bible study with jehovah's witnesses and i stopped the studies with them a couple of years back.

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  It took a while . . . but one thing I have learned is that humans too have powerful instincts that we sometimes 'reason over the top of' . . . to our peril

  I trust my instincts now with almost every decision . . . and for the most part . . . they serve me well.

  your experience Salsa girl . . . has encouraged me further

  Luvonyall
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  Wt Org Like an Animal Pack

  by Satanus in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  observing how stranglers and those who get ahead of the wt org are left or get ostricised reminded me of similar dynamics in some animal societies, lions, for instance.

  lions and housecats are the only felines that form groups.

  pack members who get sick or injured and become unable to keep up w the pride are left behind.

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  Interesting observations Satanus.

  When researching the subject of mind-control and factors making for vulnerability to conversion, I came across a [theory] that matched perfectly what you are saying.

  Basically the hypothesis was one whereby the human need to 'group' exclusively, was a heriditary trait dating back to our hunter-gatherer (you could say "animal") roots . . . being centered in the group was essential to survival . . . any "passengers" or loners were a threat to the groups existence and quickly rejected. I viewed it on-line but failed to save it to file . . . if I can find it again I'll post it.

  Luvonyall
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  I ended up in the back room of the KH today

  by Nobleheart in

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  our public talk and wt study is on saturdays.

  i was informed by an elder that i shouldn't leave right away after the meeting.. immediately i had a sinking feeling in my stomach.

  but not as bad as i would have felt about it months ago.

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  Isn't it amazing they have NO human empathy or real emotions to see how uncomfortable this makes you ? It's because the JW cult has stolen aLL normal human empathetic and compassionate emotions away from them ! Now - They are just programmed robots put forth to do a job- find out who's faithful to the WT society and who isn't. Spiritual policemen of sorts.

  Repitition for emphasis

  Luvonyall
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  Elder's Manual Question

  by satinka in

  1. watchtower
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  my youngest brother is the family jw patriarch, and an elder, maybe even the po in a small northern town.

  in an email i asked him if he ever hears from my kids.

  i happen to know he lives in the same small town as my son, who might very well be an elder, too...by now.

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  My belief was that if I continued to believe the jw theology, I would self-destruct.

  Satinka

  Your belief was absolutely correct and your instincts served you well . . . I did continue . . . and I did self-destruct . . . severe depression/anxiety disorder which has taken me 7 years to get on top of . . . that 7 years cost me heaps . . . hospitalisation, my job, my home, family relationships changed forever etc etc.

  Such a heavy price tag can never be forgotten . . . or forgiven.

  Our fellow posters have come to the party for you (as they do) . . . Hearty thanks to you all . . . Satinka . . . I sincerely wish you the very best with your family

  Luvonyall
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  Stopping my bible study with the JW's

  by salsa girl in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  this is my first post after lurking for months.

  hopefully i won't make any mistakes while typing and trying to post this so please bear with me!.

  i had a bible study with jehovah's witnesses and i stopped the studies with them a couple of years back.

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  Interesting observations JJJ . . . I too succumbed to severe depression (better now tho) . . . the only studies I have found (I have them on file) showed JW's to be 4 times more likely to suicide and 16 times more likely to develop mental illnesses . . . staggering.

  Another article pinpointed the indoctrination period for converts to be when most psychological damage occurs . . . I suspect you might have dodged that bullet too Salsa girl . . . I sure hope so.

  Luvonyall
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  The Cost of Lies

  by designs in

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  112 us b109 tomahawk missiles were launched at a cost of $100,000,000.00 each and congress and the senate want to defund national social services and health care insurance.

  in one 2 hour window of time the us government launched $11,200,000,000.00 worth of weaponry.

  100 war protesters were arrested yesterday in front of the white house.

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  The question is . . . . are they really costing $100M each today? . . . anybody confirm that? . . . just want to put an accurate price tag on the 'lies'
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  Stopping my bible study with the JW's

  by salsa girl in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  this is my first post after lurking for months.

  hopefully i won't make any mistakes while typing and trying to post this so please bear with me!.

  i had a bible study with jehovah's witnesses and i stopped the studies with them a couple of years back.

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  Congratulations to you Salsa girl . . . and welcome to the site . . . what most on here would call a 'near thing' for you . . . posters with your story are rare here . . . but believe me your story makes for very pleasing reading . . . as you've no doubt figured during your lurking, folk here have some sorry tales to tell (me included) . . . your conclusions are spot on (they're a dangerous cult) . . . and your thoughts are welcome.

  Luvonyall
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  Jesus Christ another bloody Quake!

  by Murray Smith in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  hell and damnation my friends .

  we've just had our arses kicked by one hell of an aftershock!

  shook the shit out of my house .

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  Thanks to you all for your kindness . . . I was thinking . . . this site has done so much for me . . . not just for the JW exit journey, but during these quakes it's been so good to have my cyber-friends here . . . I really value the people here. Thanks heaps.

  Luvonyall
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  The Cost of Lies

  by designs in

  1. social
  2. current

  112 us b109 tomahawk missiles were launched at a cost of $100,000,000.00 each and congress and the senate want to defund national social services and health care insurance.

  in one 2 hour window of time the us government launched $11,200,000,000.00 worth of weaponry.

  100 war protesters were arrested yesterday in front of the white house.

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  I'm sure I heard that tomohawks were valued at around $2M at the time of the Iraq war (I may be wrong) . . . do they really cost that much? . . . there's not that much to them really . . . ???